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Fergal Cunningham - 2026-10-28 16:00:32
Hello everyone!
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:01:25
Hey:)
Joachim Ernst - 2026-10-28 16:01:45
Good day
Tom Rigg - 2026-10-28 16:03:13
Hello!
Kurt Jaeger - 2026-10-28 16:11:02
is the gm starting late ?
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:11:23
@Kurt: Already started. HPH is currently talking
Kurt Jaeger - 2026-10-28 16:12:12
i see no video etc
Kurt Jaeger - 2026-10-28 16:12:40
aha, shift-reload
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:13:03
👍
Karla Liddle-White - 2026-10-28 16:37:09
Hello everyone, you can also find the presentations at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/october-2026/presentations/
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:40:30
I'm not sure this is worth a GM question, but maybe someone knows. The FBI seized a hoster, virtualine (good) it apparently cooperated with german and dutch police and, amongst others, an oragnisation called overRIPE Its logo is an apple that has the RIPE Logo in the middle being bitten into by a cat. it looks very RIPE assosciated, but i cant find any information.
Tom Hill - 2026-10-28 16:41:46
@Seb interesting, Have source?
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:42:15
sure: the OP is mentioned here: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/bulletproof-website-domain-seized-international-law-enforcement-operation
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:42:25
and there are several articles on the internet with screenshots
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:42:33
like https://www.silentpush.com/blog/operation-omegaline-fbi-seizes-virtualine/
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:42:46
and that screenshot shows the logo https://www.silentpush.com/blog/operation-omegaline-fbi-seizes-virtualine/
Ulka Athale - 2026-10-28 16:42:54
If you would like your question to be read out, please use the Q&A box. You can also request audio / video directly.
Simon Leinen - 2026-10-28 16:42:56
The logo can also be seen on (the seizure page that's now displayed on) https://virtualine.net/
Sebastien Brossier - 2026-10-28 16:44:36
Claims to be a research group. https://overripe.org/
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-10-28 16:47:34
I don't think the logo is an infringement but if you have concerns you can send a mail to ncc@ripe.net and we'll do a proper check.
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:48:00
yeah, i think ill take this conversation to mail, GM seems a bit out of place. thanks for the perspective
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-10-28 16:48:17
Thanks Sebastian.
Athina Fragkouli - 2026-10-28 16:48:56
Thank you for bringing this to our attention!
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:49:45
you're welcome. Ill still send that mail so you have a paper trail athina.
Athina Fragkouli - 2026-10-28 16:50:09
👍
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 16:56:49
@athina: mail with links has gone out to ncc@ripe.net
Athina Fragkouli - 2026-10-28 16:57:46
thank you 👍
Tom Hill - 2026-10-28 17:00:21
Incidentally my corp laptop refuses to let me open the 'openripe' page.
Tom Hill - 2026-10-28 17:00:34
Intrigue
Tohid Fooladi - 2026-10-28 17:05:08
To cover costs, we continue to support a pay-per-resource model.
Gregory Poudrel - 2026-10-28 17:12:25
Yo
Marco d'Itri - 2026-10-28 17:20:11
Is it just me thinking that the NCC would be better served by investing in a monetary fund like XEON instead of getting fleeced by the bank?
Gert Doering - 2026-10-28 17:36:30
I did not have an opinion on this, but if Lu Heng bothers to speak up so strongly against it, I think we all need to vote for it. Or is this 4d chess and we need to really vote against it. Decisions...
Brian Nisbet - 2026-10-28 17:36:52
The famous double triple bluff!
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-10-28 17:37:03
Remember what he / his company did and still do to AFRINIC ^^
Gert Doering - 2026-10-28 17:37:13
We do
Marco d'Itri - 2026-10-28 17:37:58
as usual he is a great reverse benchmark
Sascha Lenz - 2026-10-28 17:41:20
the problems I have to understand all these changes and why now after decades etc. make me wonder what's happening here, but yes, as usual the chinese misinformation helps to decide what to vote for here probably :) I have no idea what the change is about after reding the documentation and listening to the presentation
Brian Nisbet - 2026-10-28 17:42:03
These kind of changes are usually because someone finally went "wait, we do this, but this document says we do this other thing, so we should regularise it."
Brian Nisbet - 2026-10-28 17:42:57
Sometimes that comes from internal review, sometimes an audit, sometimes a change in the attention governance is getting from outside interests.
Gert Doering - 2026-10-28 17:43:10
Indeed. It reads like nothing really changes in normal operations, but there is an extra causa Afrinic added in case everything goes out of shape
Brian Storey - 2026-10-28 17:43:24
Good governance evolves.
Brian Nisbet - 2026-10-28 17:43:33
Exactly.
Sascha Lenz - 2026-10-28 17:43:42
Comoplicated governance is always bad, K.I.S.S.
Sascha Lenz - 2026-10-28 17:43:47
complicated*
Brian Nisbet - 2026-10-28 17:46:49
The Rome GM and the Avignon GM!
Adrian Nöthlich - 2026-10-28 17:51:17
Can this clown please stop wasting our time?
Sascha Lenz - 2026-10-28 17:51:47
speaking from past experience - no, he can not 🤡
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 17:52:36
the math is not mathing
Brian Storey - 2026-10-28 17:53:33
The point he is trying to make is that if a portion of the non-execs side with the execs, through a non-majority of the board, the execs can override the majority view of the elected non-execs
Brian Nisbet - 2026-10-28 17:55:41
Yes, board capture is possible. If all 3 Exec Members are appointed, then the MD only needs to convince 3 Non-Execs to do the wrong thing rather than 4. Which, yeah, would be very bad. But it would be bad if the MD wanted to do it in the first place.
Brian Nisbet - 2026-10-28 17:57:05
And the 4 Non-Execs could pass a resolution to remove the Exec members before "bad" resolutions" are passed.
Gert Doering - 2026-10-28 17:58:03
Have we considered that someone with exceedingly deep pockets could just put up monetary incentives to poorer board members to influence voting? We can not have that!
Kurt Jaeger - 2026-10-28 17:58:23
the FIFA argument 8-)
Sebastian Becker - 2026-10-28 17:58:36
More board members?
Gert Doering - 2026-10-28 17:58:49
Ooooh indeed. I hear that there is a chairman that might be looking for a new job opportunity soon...
Sascha Lenz - 2026-10-28 17:58:56
...and back to "why does a board have execs with votinng rights in the first place" (still don't get it)
Tom Hill - 2026-10-28 18:00:22
We *could* increase the number of non-executive members if we thought it was reasonable to do so, but I don't think doing out of fear, uncertainty or doubt is the right reason and/or time to do so.
Tom Hill - 2026-10-28 18:00:36
*doing so out of
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-10-28 18:04:27
All the information about the candidates in the Arbiter election are available here: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/october-2026/arbiter-panel-election/ripe-ncc-arbiters-panel-candidates/
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-10-28 18:04:36
Please have a read.
Markus Zeilinger - 2026-10-28 18:07:35
I somehow missed the point why we (out of a sudden?) could add up the three exec members to the board. Cause at the moment there's the MD, but who could be the other two, who selects them, ...?
Rob Evans - 2026-10-28 18:09:05
Resolution of the board.
Rob Evans - 2026-10-28 18:09:33
(MD handover, CFO, Legal Office might be candidates if needed.)
Markus Zeilinger - 2026-10-28 18:10:46
thanks
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 18:15:12
"I now declare this bazaar open"
Sebastian Jürges - 2026-10-28 18:15:26
lets see how many people get that reference ;)
Sebastian Brüchner - 2026-10-28 18:15:36
😂
Ulka Athale - 2026-10-28 18:15:38
Thank you everyone for joining us today
Jan Fader - 2026-10-28 18:15:42
Thanks for the GM.
Martin Passard - 2026-10-28 18:16:05
👋
Fergal Cunningham - 2026-10-28 18:16:09
Thanks all. If anyone can let me know, is the voting platform accessible?
Leonhard Wimmer - 2026-10-28 18:16:33
Yes, I can access it
Joachim Ernst - 2026-10-28 18:16:48
Yes, works.